Thinking beyond IIT and IIM

A clarification before I get into the subject: I am not against IITs and IIMs. They are wonderful institutions and I respect the handful who get into these institutions. The IITs and IIMs have not failed the nation. It’s the nation that has failed the core idea behind these institutions.

A few months back I wrote a popular and somewhat controversial piece titled ” IT Survivors – Staying Alive In A Software Job “. I got lots of feedback to this article and one of the common lines was that “It’s true that there’s no innovation happening in India but how can it happen when all the smart people from IITs and IIMs either ditch the nation or sit on fat salaries and do clerical jobs.”

I was surprised to hear one of my post graduate students say the same thing. So I asked him whether he felt that it was only the IIT and IIM guys who can make a change? Can’t he try out an idea that he is passionate about? He said that the IIT IIM students get funding easily and it’s just so much easier for them to innovate.

Although there’ some truth in this, it is very distressing to see that the nation has left it to the IIMs and IITs to make a difference. In my “survivors” article I wrote about how our servile attitude is hurting us and that’s the case here as well. Rest of India has a major inferiority complex when is comes to the IITs and IIMs.

It was ok if the reason behind this was that they did not wish to miss out on the super quality of education they would get at the IIM. The real reason is the pay cheques given out at the IIM, the hype around IIMs and the wish to be one of the handful to beat the hordes appearing for CAT. There’s nothing wrong in this as it’s normal human behaviour. The problem is that nothing’s being done to get people out of this IIT IIM obsession.

Recently the cover page of “Indian Express” carried a big news item “IIM Ahmedabad fees hiked by 12%”. This was accompanied by a photo of Narayan Murthy and the the former Hindustan Lever (India) head (i forget his name)

How in the world can this be an item worthy of the cover page of India’s biggest daily? Not only was the item irrelevant to 99.9999% of readers but it also showed how these institutions have become too big for their boots.

Also because of the stature of the IIT s and IIMs enjoy, those who get in feel like they have conquered the world and those who don’t, think that they are meant for ordinary things. “Jo jeeta woh sikandar jo hara woh bandar

That’s unfortunate as then neither the sikandar nor the bandar goes on to do anything special.

Ok fine, so I fell that IITs and IIMs are over hyped. So is there a solution?

The solution I feel is to have institutions of the level of the IITs and IIMs in every major city. Like in the old days when sugar, foodgrains, kerosene…everything was rationed, today education is being rationed out. The demand for top quality educational institutes is huge while the supply is hardly there.

Setting up IITs and IIMs is a very expensive affair, with millions of tax payer money being pumped into them. So the easy way out is to pick the top engineering / management institute in every city based on the kind of gradation system that’s already in place in states like Maharashtra. Then rename it to an IIT / IIM and gradually get it to be at par with the IITs and IIMs in all respects. Ensure that new institutions are being added every year.

Currently starting a new institute is a very murky affair, as a result many institutions are led by politicians with dubious track records. Honest, well educated people should be starting institutions and not tobacco spitting politicians and goons. If education becomes a clean industry we will soon see hundreds of top notch institutes spring up.

I am aware that my suggestions might be naive considering that I don’t have much academic experience. But if not this, something still needs to be done. Although we would end up diluting the IIT and IIM brand to a certain extent, we will see more students believing that they are the ones who can change India and they can innovate and they can take on the world. Also the media will give up its obsession of the IITs and IIMs and let them function in peace.

Changing India can’t be left to the few hundred studying in the IITs and IIMs. The system needs to show more faith in the 1000s of smart young Indians out there.

40 thoughts on “Thinking beyond IIT and IIM

  • May 29, 2007 at 12:07 am
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    Hi Harshad,

    This comment is kind of a year late Indeed. I wanted to share my 2 cents to above posting.

    Although I never been to IIT and IIMs, IIMs largely follows US business model. Definitely industry reserves certain jobs and pay checks for such graduates.

    Why Rutger’s ( NJ public school) grad has difficulty over NYU grad. ? Most of NYU professors are from financial institutions and networking is most imp key. Of course you pay premium to network with this individuals .

  • May 29, 2007 at 12:07 am
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    Hi Harshad,

    This comment is kind of a year late Indeed. I wanted to share my 2 cents to above posting.

    Although I never been to IIT and IIMs, IIMs largely follows US business model. Definitely industry reserves certain jobs and pay checks for such graduates.

    Why Rutger’s ( NJ public school) grad has difficulty over NYU grad. ? Most of NYU professors are from financial institutions and networking is most imp key. Of course you pay premium to network with this individuals .

  • June 5, 2007 at 8:29 am
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    Hi all,

    The point here is even though they are named as indian institutions, nothing has been done by these institutions which is indian. neither IIT has produced any technology which is indian nor IIM follows any management education which is indian. The fact is that these are funded by people of corporate USA and they lose out. Even students dont want to join these instutions as a mere interest to learn. They want because of the fact that it is a kind of secured life to get into these institutes. I feel that those who are entrepreneurial dont ever feel threatened by losing out something in their life.

  • December 12, 2007 at 3:54 am
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    This is though provoking article. I like the last statement the most:

    “Changing India can’t be left to the few hundred studying in the IITs and IIMs. The system needs to show more faith in the 1000s of smart young Indians out there.”

    Very well said. IIT/IIM can make impact, but thats limited and mostly its for their own benefit.

  • December 12, 2007 at 3:54 am
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    This is though provoking article. I like the last statement the most:

    “Changing India can’t be left to the few hundred studying in the IITs and IIMs. The system needs to show more faith in the 1000s of smart young Indians out there.”

    Very well said. IIT/IIM can make impact, but thats limited and mostly its for their own benefit.

  • January 24, 2008 at 7:13 am
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    Nice article.

    It is the students of big cities and towns who aspire for IITs & IIMs. Unfortunately the teaching methods and syllabus is so divergent due to various statewise education systems, there is no proper method to assess the quality of them.

    We, as an exercise collected the name & address of colleges in india, were amazed by the sheer numbers of schools and colleges which do not have quality teachers.

  • January 24, 2008 at 7:13 am
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    Nice article.

    It is the students of big cities and towns who aspire for IITs & IIMs. Unfortunately the teaching methods and syllabus is so divergent due to various statewise education systems, there is no proper method to assess the quality of them.

    We, as an exercise collected the name & address of colleges in india, were amazed by the sheer numbers of schools and colleges which do not have quality teachers.

  • July 24, 2008 at 8:57 am
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    CAN U TELL ME WHY IIT AND IIM ARE NOT THE BEST

  • July 24, 2008 at 8:57 am
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    CAN U TELL ME WHY IIT AND IIM ARE NOT THE BEST

  • August 31, 2008 at 4:26 am
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    well,i think ur thinking is wrong.opening up new iits and iims won’t solve the problem of quality education.its the students who make the diffrence.iitians,iim and nits guys are the best brains in the country and so let them be..there is no one to compete them and that is the well earned truth….we r simply the best…..no one can even replicate us…leave about doing no one can think so………

  • August 31, 2008 at 4:26 am
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    well,i think ur thinking is wrong.opening up new iits and iims won’t solve the problem of quality education.its the students who make the diffrence.iitians,iim and nits guys are the best brains in the country and so let them be..there is no one to compete them and that is the well earned truth….we r simply the best…..no one can even replicate us…leave about doing no one can think so………

  • September 29, 2008 at 11:59 am
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    i think that iit and iims are the two institutes of their own kind because of the huge mismatch in the supply and demand of good students and good collegesin india.india has a huge chunk of good students but very few seats available . iits/IIMs respective entrance exams iit jee and CAT have lacs of students and aspirants appearing each year and only a few getting selected,gives the hype to these intitutes.

  • September 29, 2008 at 11:59 am
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    i think that iit and iims are the two institutes of their own kind because of the huge mismatch in the supply and demand of good students and good collegesin india.india has a huge chunk of good students but very few seats available . iits/IIMs respective entrance exams iit jee and CAT have lacs of students and aspirants appearing each year and only a few getting selected,gives the hype to these intitutes.

  • January 13, 2009 at 11:25 pm
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    there is a diff in the demand and supply…
    IITs have to keep shuffling jEE year after year because they are unable to find even 5000 worthy students from this crowd..!!
    Go inside an IIT and check this out. 25% are abysmally bad. They are the same ghotu stuffs who have been spoon fed in some coaching institute of Kota.

    And you plan to let the common students enter an IIT. The IITians would literally screw them. They would not be able to manage the cgpa of 2-3 due to which they would either be kicked out or they would themselves leave the campus.
    This is exactly what is happening with SC/ST guys. This problem is serious and also negates the reservation issues a big way. But the indian govt, as usual never bothers.

    About opening up of new IITs.. you dont need do so. They would only dilute the rapport of the brand.
    US hasnt made 100s of MITs and Harvard. They made Caltech, UIUC, Cornell to compete with the best in country.
    There are so many NITs in the country doing nothing. These can be provided with adequate funds and proper management and given a chance to get near the IITs.
    This would save time and also, save money. And would not tarnish the quality of IIT.

    About IITs and IITians and their achievements, I make a solemn request not to undermine them. Just because people arent aware of them doesnt mean they have done nothing. Do a good google search, read about the alumnus of the IIT, study what all stuffs the PAN IIT meet does every year, know how the IITians are giving back to the society… There are loads of them but have never shared the limelight. YOU WOULD BE ASTONISHED TO KNOW WHAT ALL THEY HAVE DONE, HOW MANY COMPANIES THEY HAVE STARTED…
    Just because you might have seen some stupid IITians around yourself doesnt mean you can extrapolate and pass this judgment to all others.

    IITians start more ventures than the IIM grads.. isnt this surprising.. ??
    But its true.

  • January 13, 2009 at 11:25 pm
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    there is a diff in the demand and supply…
    IITs have to keep shuffling jEE year after year because they are unable to find even 5000 worthy students from this crowd..!!
    Go inside an IIT and check this out. 25% are abysmally bad. They are the same ghotu stuffs who have been spoon fed in some coaching institute of Kota.

    And you plan to let the common students enter an IIT. The IITians would literally screw them. They would not be able to manage the cgpa of 2-3 due to which they would either be kicked out or they would themselves leave the campus.
    This is exactly what is happening with SC/ST guys. This problem is serious and also negates the reservation issues a big way. But the indian govt, as usual never bothers.

    About opening up of new IITs.. you dont need do so. They would only dilute the rapport of the brand.
    US hasnt made 100s of MITs and Harvard. They made Caltech, UIUC, Cornell to compete with the best in country.
    There are so many NITs in the country doing nothing. These can be provided with adequate funds and proper management and given a chance to get near the IITs.
    This would save time and also, save money. And would not tarnish the quality of IIT.

    About IITs and IITians and their achievements, I make a solemn request not to undermine them. Just because people arent aware of them doesnt mean they have done nothing. Do a good google search, read about the alumnus of the IIT, study what all stuffs the PAN IIT meet does every year, know how the IITians are giving back to the society… There are loads of them but have never shared the limelight. YOU WOULD BE ASTONISHED TO KNOW WHAT ALL THEY HAVE DONE, HOW MANY COMPANIES THEY HAVE STARTED…
    Just because you might have seen some stupid IITians around yourself doesnt mean you can extrapolate and pass this judgment to all others.

    IITians start more ventures than the IIM grads.. isnt this surprising.. ??
    But its true.

  • May 2, 2009 at 1:37 pm
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    hey … hi ..u know what u r u r just a pissed off person running a blog trying to vent off your anger at iit’s and iim’s thats what u ppl always do …blame others for your pains..be it ias officers politicians or v iitans… it is not us who have hyped but you bloggers like you … you know nothing about research by the way you talk about it …you dont care that science is not buisness it is an art ,a religion…all you do is make political …anyways visit an iit campus any day and talk to us about y and what v r … with guts… and i promise you that v r not the mutationed mind like you …. just good people who can think and do …what do u know about iitr nss after all… u do what dissatisfied people always do …BLAME… and if not go make a stealth material for navy ships like they do here …. IIT is 4 u …not 4 us >its just a college v r just 12th pass guys and u figure out vat u r

    • May 2, 2009 at 5:31 pm
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      I do not know if you are commenting on the comments or on the article. If it is the article, I would humbly request you to re-read the article.

      I do not think I have blamed the IITs and IIMs for anything. I have said that they are good institutions and I only have respect for those who manage to get in. The problem is with rest of India feeling inadequate as it feels that it gets education that’s not comparable to the IITs and IIMs and hence that it is incapable of doing innovative and revolutionary new things.

      Top class education should be far more easily available to all Indians. All Indians should feel empowered and capable to make a difference and make the world a better place.

  • May 2, 2009 at 1:37 pm
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    hey … hi ..u know what u r u r just a pissed off person running a blog trying to vent off your anger at iit’s and iim’s thats what u ppl always do …blame others for your pains..be it ias officers politicians or v iitans… it is not us who have hyped but you bloggers like you … you know nothing about research by the way you talk about it …you dont care that science is not buisness it is an art ,a religion…all you do is make political …anyways visit an iit campus any day and talk to us about y and what v r … with guts… and i promise you that v r not the mutationed mind like you …. just good people who can think and do …what do u know about iitr nss after all… u do what dissatisfied people always do …BLAME… and if not go make a stealth material for navy ships like they do here …. IIT is 4 u …not 4 us >its just a college v r just 12th pass guys and u figure out vat u r

    • May 2, 2009 at 5:31 pm
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      I do not know if you are commenting on the comments or on the article. If it is the article, I would humbly request you to re-read the article.

      I do not think I have blamed the IITs and IIMs for anything. I have said that they are good institutions and I only have respect for those who manage to get in. The problem is with rest of India feeling inadequate as it feels that it gets education that’s not comparable to the IITs and IIMs and hence that it is incapable of doing innovative and revolutionary new things.

      Top class education should be far more easily available to all Indians. All Indians should feel empowered and capable to make a difference and make the world a better place.

  • May 3, 2009 at 8:30 am
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    well,
    i am sorry for being rude.
    i misunderstood it … it is just that we are under tremendous pressure of mugging up over here .They try to teach 4 years worth in one year and that kills the innovativeness in us . you see before coming to this place i reverred it .never did it for money never.
    I thought of IIT as a vibrant place where people are eager to learn as a team and science and things are valued …… but sadly it is not … what is valued is how hard you do the last minute studies and get a placement . 2 days from today we have end terms and it shows .
    Even joining literary magzines on campusis for certificates . there are few people who venture to become enterprenure for rest it is fat pay packets after so much struggle …thay are like us huamans

    why
    because the administration of the govt of india thinks 12 th pass =jee= iitans=10000gb hard disks. Our proffessors are phd but even then they compare our knowledge with theirs sometimes they would say “you iitans should undersatand it is just a formula” . i will tell you what people think is that jee is all . it is not .it isnt .i passed it and we all know it .but our administration hypes it . our profs do .ONES even a guy doing phd
    made fun of us saying you are jee people you know msc 4 th yer physics..I NEVER KNEW c++ BFR I CAME HERE…BUT THEY HAVE TAUGHT ALL OF IT TO ME IN 3 MONTHS ALONG WITH 6 EQUALLY DEMANDING SUBJECTS AND EXPECT ME TO BE GENIUS….A JACK OF ALL TRADES AND MASTER OF ALL

    well
    sir it is the system that gets to us and india alike. WE …..atleast me … are not iiitans we are boys and girls fresh from our homes …. and you know funding etc dont exist for us …they exist for phd and mtech and the corrupt administration….ok sports are good but apart from it … food is like … i havent eaten chapati in mess for 2 days …. and still i have got 7 papers to give…. a whole book on electrical …on biotech …. on maths….and and………….it is just a mirage …. and as to research well it is love of physics that can make you understand it or for that matter anything …. einstien was not an iitan……

    and
    i am sorry it is just that this iitan thing is not rite …ground reality is different…..BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT RESEARCH… IT IS TEACHING THA t HAS TO CHANGE …..TEACHERS HAVE TO BE MORE IN LOVE WITH THEIR ART….. BASIC SCIENCES IS POOR IN INDIA… FACILITIES DONT MATTER …..I AM FROM A POOR FAMILY BUT I IMPROVED MY ENGLISH IN A PUBLIC LIBRARY OF MY SMALL CITY IN M.P…… govt is not to be blamed ……education scenario is best in india … but off course people want fat packages……..it is a basic instinct ..a naked truth…

    at last I AM VERY VERY SORRY …. I WAS BEING AND ACTING FRUSTRATED…..YOUR ARTICLE IS IN THE RITE AIR….. IT WAS I WHO WAS FEELING PISSED OFF WITH THIS PLACE AND SO DID THIS …UMMM …………………SORRY ……. AND A HAPPY SPRING TO YOU

    • May 3, 2009 at 11:38 am
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      Hi

      I am glad to hear from you. I appreciate your position and how tough it must be studying and competing hard 24×7. I am sure you will come out with flying colours and I wish you the very best .

      I would suggest that you document the flaws that you see in the system. When you are confident that there won’t be a backlash, you could share those points with the appropriate authorities. You would then not only feel less frustrated but would also contribute to ensuring that future IITians have a more fulfilling time at the IIT.

      A very happy spring to you too. Let’s hope the heat wave across India will soon pass.

      Thanks,
      Harshad

  • May 3, 2009 at 8:30 am
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    well,
    i am sorry for being rude.
    i misunderstood it … it is just that we are under tremendous pressure of mugging up over here .They try to teach 4 years worth in one year and that kills the innovativeness in us . you see before coming to this place i reverred it .never did it for money never.
    I thought of IIT as a vibrant place where people are eager to learn as a team and science and things are valued …… but sadly it is not … what is valued is how hard you do the last minute studies and get a placement . 2 days from today we have end terms and it shows .
    Even joining literary magzines on campusis for certificates . there are few people who venture to become enterprenure for rest it is fat pay packets after so much struggle …thay are like us huamans

    why
    because the administration of the govt of india thinks 12 th pass =jee= iitans=10000gb hard disks. Our proffessors are phd but even then they compare our knowledge with theirs sometimes they would say “you iitans should undersatand it is just a formula” . i will tell you what people think is that jee is all . it is not .it isnt .i passed it and we all know it .but our administration hypes it . our profs do .ONES even a guy doing phd
    made fun of us saying you are jee people you know msc 4 th yer physics..I NEVER KNEW c++ BFR I CAME HERE…BUT THEY HAVE TAUGHT ALL OF IT TO ME IN 3 MONTHS ALONG WITH 6 EQUALLY DEMANDING SUBJECTS AND EXPECT ME TO BE GENIUS….A JACK OF ALL TRADES AND MASTER OF ALL

    well
    sir it is the system that gets to us and india alike. WE …..atleast me … are not iiitans we are boys and girls fresh from our homes …. and you know funding etc dont exist for us …they exist for phd and mtech and the corrupt administration….ok sports are good but apart from it … food is like … i havent eaten chapati in mess for 2 days …. and still i have got 7 papers to give…. a whole book on electrical …on biotech …. on maths….and and………….it is just a mirage …. and as to research well it is love of physics that can make you understand it or for that matter anything …. einstien was not an iitan……

    and
    i am sorry it is just that this iitan thing is not rite …ground reality is different…..BUT YOU KNOW IF YOU WANT RESEARCH… IT IS TEACHING THA t HAS TO CHANGE …..TEACHERS HAVE TO BE MORE IN LOVE WITH THEIR ART….. BASIC SCIENCES IS POOR IN INDIA… FACILITIES DONT MATTER …..I AM FROM A POOR FAMILY BUT I IMPROVED MY ENGLISH IN A PUBLIC LIBRARY OF MY SMALL CITY IN M.P…… govt is not to be blamed ……education scenario is best in india … but off course people want fat packages……..it is a basic instinct ..a naked truth…

    at last I AM VERY VERY SORRY …. I WAS BEING AND ACTING FRUSTRATED…..YOUR ARTICLE IS IN THE RITE AIR….. IT WAS I WHO WAS FEELING PISSED OFF WITH THIS PLACE AND SO DID THIS …UMMM …………………SORRY ……. AND A HAPPY SPRING TO YOU

    • May 3, 2009 at 11:38 am
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      Hi

      I am glad to hear from you. I appreciate your position and how tough it must be studying and competing hard 24×7. I am sure you will come out with flying colours and I wish you the very best .

      I would suggest that you document the flaws that you see in the system. When you are confident that there won’t be a backlash, you could share those points with the appropriate authorities. You would then not only feel less frustrated but would also contribute to ensuring that future IITians have a more fulfilling time at the IIT.

      A very happy spring to you too. Let’s hope the heat wave across India will soon pass.

      Thanks,
      Harshad

  • May 3, 2009 at 8:35 am
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    and yes iit brand should be done away with ….. that will cure the problm and our lives

  • May 3, 2009 at 8:35 am
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    and yes iit brand should be done away with ….. that will cure the problm and our lives

  • September 4, 2009 at 6:18 am
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    Harshad, Agree with your last line. The IIMs and IITs have created what I call “Excellence through scarcity of good education”. Given our large population, and rich gene pool, the next few thousand students, who do not make it to the IITs or IIMs are not significantly different in terms of calibre.

  • September 4, 2009 at 6:18 am
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    Harshad, Agree with your last line. The IIMs and IITs have created what I call “Excellence through scarcity of good education”. Given our large population, and rich gene pool, the next few thousand students, who do not make it to the IITs or IIMs are not significantly different in terms of calibre.

  • November 22, 2009 at 10:38 am
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    Hi all,

    The point here is even though they are named as indian institutions, nothing has been done by these institutions which is indian. neither IIT has produced any technology which is indian nor IIM follows any management education which is indian. The fact is that these are funded by people of corporate USA and they lose out. Even students dont want to join these instutions as a mere interest to learn. They want because of the fact that it is a kind of secured life to get into these institutes. I feel that those who are entrepreneurial dont ever feel threatened by losing out something in their life.

  • December 18, 2009 at 1:45 pm
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    thats coz the number of grads passing out from iits are way more than that of iims.

  • December 18, 2009 at 8:45 pm
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    thats coz the number of grads passing out from iits are way more than that of iims.

  • March 2, 2010 at 9:22 am
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    Hi,
    Well written article. I think because of this superiority complex only IIT, IIM grads just bask in the glory of they being graduated from these top institutions for rest of their life and when it comes to innovation or doing something exceptional neither these graduates do anything apart from doing regular cushy, well paid job nor other people who live in inferiority complex do anything driven by passion. Having said this there are few people who have done exceptionally different good even if they are IIT, IIM grads or not. However, I feel this ratio is pretty low.

  • March 3, 2010 at 12:48 pm
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    can 12th failed commerce stream student join the IIT?

  • March 14, 2010 at 10:05 am
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    Got this comment over email today from A D who says he is from IIT Delhi

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    dont wana demean your work or something but being myself from iit delhi i wanna say that i find your article very superficial and naive , and u actually are commenting on something that you hardly know anything about. IIT and IIM in every city!!!…are u out of ur mind???…and who said dat all dose people who did not get into these elite institutions are on par wid dem??…boy!!…some of dem may be…but rest of so called young indian generation is full of mediocre and low IQ people…so do not even compare…and dont try n dilute one of the few quality exports of india….get your facts right then only u wud be able to gauge the difference….in fact just bcos of IT industry normal junta tends to think that they are on par wid iit guys n all…and dats d reason iit people have started shifting towards ibanking ,consulting etc…coz exclusive pplw wud always go to coveted places …when normal junta wud start intruding these fields too…den we wud got o somwhere else ….so others wud always be caching up to us and it wud never end….trust me on dat…even if u create iit in every city…the top few iits like IIT b , d, k , kgp , m wud stay miles ahead of the rest of the so called iit's…that y i said whateva u said was foolish…..so please dont try further..

  • March 14, 2010 at 10:21 am
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    Thanks for your mail and for sharing your opinion. I have added your comment to the site without disclosing your name, as then other visitors could also comment on your opinion.

    Considering you are still studying and are very young, I can very much understand where you come from.

    Thought a quote would be relevant here – Src thinkexist.com

    “There is nothing noble in being superior to some other person. The true nobility is in being superior to your previous self.”
    “A sarcastic person has a superiority complex that can be cured only by the honesty of humility. “

    IMHO getting a superiority complex based on which college you go to, is not a very wise thing to do. Talk to any of the real achievers in society today, including those from IIT & IIM and you would find humility as the common strain amongst all of them.

    To take an example from sport, I am sure even the great Sachin Tendulkar would not be looking down on a batsman struggling to score runs in domestic or college games and would instead think of how he could help the guy. And that's one of the key reasons why he is referred to as 'great'.

    • October 11, 2010 at 1:36 pm
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      yaar harshad..main bhi ek chaman college se padha hua hoon aur sala 4 baar iit diya nahi nikla.i was really pissed off by these “elite people” but in the end had only one option of writing down blogs against these iit iim guys.and you know what even i found a lot many famous quotes from the net to post them as and when required.sala i really want to piss on these guys but to vain…it always falls on our faces kyunki ye log sale humse oopar rehte hain hamesha.yaar poori sympathy hai tujhse but akele mein maa le yaar main tu hum sab chutiye hain in log ke saamne…wat say?waise i am writing down another blog against these loosers so your comments will be awaited..

      thanks mate for this wonderful piece of literature
      a looser

  • August 26, 2010 at 12:35 pm
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    Sorry, I find your idea counterintuitive. Please understand that by opening up more of these IIT-IIMs, not only will you dilute the brands (less important I guess), but more importantly you’ll also increase the hype around it.

    I’m a fairly experienced Rat-Racer, fell ill on JEE day and ended up at BITS Pilani. I am both humbled and proud in a way.
    Engineering is my forte, so I can tell you a little about it. There is no real shortage of ‘good colleges’, the top 5 NITs, IIIT-H, DCE. NSIT, Jadavpur, BHU… all lacking infrastructure but flooded with good students. There are a good 10-15 excellent engineering colleges in the country whose graduates have accomplished great things, that people haven’t even heard about because they’re blinded by the IIT tag.

    Trying to convert them into an IIT is a ridiculously simplistic idea, more people will buy into the hype and you’ve done nothing to motivate them to get off their asses and do something new. All that’ll happen is that there’ll be 10k people thinking they’re better than everyone else, rather than 4k people.

    Like another man said, the USA did not open MIT campuses all over the world- it made a host of other good colleges that succeeded by giving good students access to good opportunities.

    Remember that your college degree is the first step, not the last. If more people begin to understand that, there’s still hope.

  • February 6, 2011 at 8:01 am
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    Opening up new iits in every city doesn’t make sense at all. The raison d’être of the institution is that it is elitist. Even if you rename inferior institutions as iits they will never be at the sane level as the 5 old iits. The reason for this simple, i.e. the people studying there will not be of the same quality. It is because of misguided voices like yours in the government that the new iits have been created at all. You spoke about the thousands of smart engineering grads out there. Well let me tell you, there is a marked difference in the quality of students as you go further down the list of institutes. Just branding them with an undeserved iit tag will not improve Indian education in any way. More universities with world class infrastructure should come up in India, but they should not be called iits. How many people commenting below against the iits or iims are failed jee or cat aspirants, I wonder?

  • February 24, 2011 at 2:27 am
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    opening up a new iit/iim everywhere are you crazy. If all the people on earth become albert einstien there would be no Albert Eienstien.

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